Observations from the Idiot Fringe

Oh John,

So harsh on the Territory and perhaps just a little unfairly.

Yes, the Terri is a 10 year old design, but it has been consistently praised by the motoring community for it's fine handling ride comprise and is still the 'SUV" by which others ride/handling are measured. Perhaps you could argue its longevity is testament to a good fundamental design in the first place.

And you're right, the 2.7 'Landrover' diesel is an oldie but still puts out reasonably credible numbers, the inline 4.0L six has been refined over the years and is a pretty good engine.

The interior quality and overall build quality can be patchy but vehicle reliability is generally pretty good and they do seem to be able to clock up some respectable mileages. Resale value is crap as most Aussie fleet mobiles tend to be.

But the Jeep and Landrover are both $10 to $20k more expensive and parts and servicing equally so. The Jeep also has a less than stellar reputation for reliability and Landrover consistently scores low on the JD customer satisfaction ratings.

There is probably a quite valid argument that these big Aussie rwd vehicles (Falcon, Commodore, Territory) demise can be partly laid at the feet of journalists consistently putting these vehicles down. One thing will be certain, when we are all driving Hyundai's in a post 'big Aussie vehicle' world we may just all wakeup and lament what we have lost.

So, while the Territory is far from perfect, there is still plenty to like about it . . . it would be nice if you reported on just a few of these aspects.

RESPONSE

Ralph, sorry to hear the lobotomy didn't go as well as expected. You're still an idiot, sadly. One of the most tragic things about the information age is its ability to give people like you a voice. You are an uninformed fool with an opinion.

Addressing your points in order - your comments are italicised, mine follow in bold:

"The Terri is a 10 year old design, but it has been consistently praised by the motoring community for it's fine handling ride comprise and is still the SUV by which others' ride/handling are measured. Perhaps you could argue its longevity is testament to a good fundamental design in the first place."

No, you couldn't argue that with a straight face. The Territory was praised initially. That was then; this is now. Drive a Mazda CX-5 - recalibrate 'ride/handling benchmark'. Territory's longevity is testament to Ford teetering on the edge of bankruptcy five years ago in the GFC and having no funds to spend on R&D or upgrades, then or now, and also Ford Australia in particular being a budgetary black hole with a factory bleeding money faster than you could shovel it into a furnace. No vehicle has ever been designed 10 years ahead of its time. Wake up to yourself.

"The 2.7 Landrover diesel is an oldie but still puts out reasonably credible numbers, the inline 4.0L six has been refined over the years and is a pretty good engine."

Idiot. Territory 2.7: peak outputs of 140kW and 440Nm. Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2: Peak outputs of 145kW and 436Nm. This is how the automotive industry has moved on in a decade: 20 per cent less displacement; same outputs. If that's reasonably credible numbers, it's hat-eatin' time. The 4.0-litre six has not been refined. The 4.0-litre six from 2004 made 182kW at 5000rpm and 380Nm at 3250rpm. By 2014 the best Ford could manage was to rev it 20 per cent faster - to 6000rpm - and derive just 195kW. That's just seven per cent more power, by flogging it 20 per cent faster. That's an example of going backwards, in engineering terms, if you know anything about the interplay between torque, revs and power. Torque climbed to 391Nm at the same revs - a little under three per cent gained in a decade. If that's 10 years of "refined" then, again (you peanut) it's hat-eatin' time. At the same time Ford (and Holden) lobbied hard to delay the adoption of newer emissions control standards, which Ford couldn't get that straight six to meet, which is a barometer of just how 'pretty good' it is.

The interior quality and overall build quality can be patchy but vehicle reliability is generally pretty good and they do seem to be able to clock up some respectable mileages. Resale value is crap as most Aussie fleet mobiles tend to be.

Resale is a matter of supply and demand only. Demand is through the floor because it's an unreliable dog of a vehicle, which nobody wants.

"But the Jeep and Landrover are both $10 to $20k more expensive and parts and servicing equally so. The Jeep also has a less than stellar reputation for reliability and Landrover consistently scores low on the JD customer satisfaction ratings."

Yeah, they're all peas in a pod, reliability-wise. At least the Jeep and the Land Rover (it's two words, mate) are built in factories where the workers haven't already lost their jobs. And the reliability of Ford's locally produced product is among the world's worst.

"There is probably a quite valid argument that these big Aussie rwd vehicles (Falcon, Commodore, Territory) demise can be partly laid at the feet of journalists consistently putting these vehicles down. One thing will be certain, when we are all driving Hyundai's in a post 'big Aussie vehicle' world we may just all wakeup and lament what we have lost."

This is perhaps the biggest load of bullshit in your entire argument. Have you ever done actual 'research'? Or are you just a deliverer of unmitigated hokum? The reason the local car industry failed is because - despite, or because of, tremendous government funding - Ford and Holden decided they knew better than the market and failed to adapt to market changes. Their cars grew out of all proportion (first Commodore: same size as current Mazda3). Buyers can get fully loaded Mazda3s, etc, for $10k less than similarly equipped Commodores and Falcons. Journalists don't really influence sales that much, and the Australian press has given far more positive coverage to the local product than criticism (check every second cover of Wheels for 30 years). The acid test is: When Holden changed from a relatively good European-sourced Barina to a cheap, nasty and hastily re-badged Daewoo, the press criticised the move harshly. Sales went through the roof. Journalists have nowhere near the effect on sales popularised by idiots like you who comment without research. The blame for the demise of the local carmakers is laid solely at Ford and Holden's feet - they made all the wrong moves despite immense long-term taxpayer support.

"While the Territory is far from perfect, there is still plenty to like about it . . . it would be nice if you reported on just a few of these aspects."

The Territory is a joke. Buying one is a mistake. Owning one is a disaster. I stand by every comment in the review. And the ones about you being a peanut.

JC